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Interview with Dorothy Coplon

Coplon, Dorothy
Klein, Walter J.
Date of Interview: 
Jewish community; anti-Semitism; community involvement; political campaign; New Bern, NC; Jewish organizations; family; Judaism; swastika; Charlotte, NC; housing; city planning; the Right; conservatism; transportation.
Dorothy Coplon discusses Jewish life while growing up in New Bern, North Carolina and her life once she moved to Charlotte, North Carolina. She describes going to Tuesday services in her temple in New Bern, and she expresses her appreciation of Clarence and Thelma Thacker who helped immensely at Temple Beth El in Charlotte. She expands on her involvement in the Charlotte Jewish community and her extensive volunteer work outside of the Jewish community. She shares information about her family, especially her husband, Carl and his role as president of Temple Beth El in Charlotte. She discusses her attempts to encourage Jewish participation in Charlotte's community and political affairs. Coplon also describes her experience running in a legislative campaign and the anti-Semitism that came with it.
New Bern, NC, 1927-1959; Charlotte, 1959-1994
Interview Setting: 
Jewish Community Center, Charlotte, NC
Charlotte Jewish Historical Society Collection
Collection Description: 
Charlotte Jewish Historical Society Collection
Interview Audio: 
WK (Walter Klein): It's Sunday, March the 6th, 1994, and we have with us Dorothy Coplon. Thank you for coming and being part of the history of the Charlotte Jewish community.
DC (Dorothy Coplon): My pleasure to be here.
WK: It's going to be good. Dottie, you are a North Carolina native.
DC: Yes.
WK: Tell us where you began.
DC: I'm from New Bern, North Carolina, where my family, my father came in the 1870s at some time.
WK: From?
DC: I better check that out.
DC: [Laughter] But anyway, he grew up in New Bern, and I grew up in New Bern and lived there really until I came to Charlotte.
WK: And your mom? Where did she come from?
DC: My mother was from New York City.
WK: OK. And she lived in New Bern at the time that your dad met her?
DC: No, he met her in New York.
WK: OK. All right, now you were one of how many children?
DC: Two. I have an older brother.
WK: And he is where?
DC: He lives in Raleigh.
WK: In where? Raleigh?
DC: Yes.
WK: OK. Now you came to Charlotte when please?
DC: 1959.
WK: And you married here?
DC: I was married in Richmond, Virginia, to a Charlotte native and moved to Charlotte in 1959.
WK: OK. And you had children?
DC: I have a son and a daughter, yes.
WK: And your son is? Name of?
DC: William.
WK: And he is married?
DC: He's married, yes.
WK: And has--? No children yet?
DC: No children.
WK: And Ava? I mean your daughter is--?
DC: Is Ava.
WK: And she is--?
DC: She's in--. She's married and lives in Atlanta.
WK: OK. Now what took--? First of all, what took Ava away from the Charlotte Jewish community?
DC: Ava went to school at UNC Greensboro
DC: and met her
WK: Fiance?
DC: fiance there, and they were married. And his job took him to Atlanta.
DC: He was--.
WK: And he's from where?
DC: Greensboro.
WK: OK. Do you ever see in the--, return to Greensboro or Charlotte of that family unit?
DC: They're very interested in coming back to Charlotte.
WK: Really?
DC: Yes, yes.
WK: What's his profession?
DC: He works for the Scott Paper Company and sells the slick paper that magazines--.
WK: Calendared paper.
DC: Yes.
WK: Very good. OK, so there's a, there's some hope there that you'll be all together.
DC: Maybe.
DC: And Ava's a nutritionist with the state of Georgia.
WK: OK. Two professionals.
DC: With the WIC program.
WK: The what?
WK: Women, Infan--. [Coughing]
DC: Women, Infants, Children.
WK: Right. [Coughing]
DC: It's a federal and state program.
WK: Excuse me. Right. Breastfeeding and such.
DC: Yes, that's correct.
WK: OK. Now let's talk about you. We'll continue. Your profession please.
DC: I worked for Walter J. Klein [Laughter] when I first came to Charlotte.
WK: Well that's ancient--. Well this is history, but that's ancient history.
DC: Yes. Do you mean currently?
WK: Yeah. How do you consider yourself professionally in the workplace?
DC: Currently, I am probably the largest volunteer in Charlotte.
WK: OK. How much do you weigh? [Laughter]
DC: [Laughter] Time-wise.
WK: Oh, sorry. And what, what does it cover? How much of this is Jewish and non-Jewish please?
DC: Well, with the Hezekiah Alexander board, which is not Jewish, although I keep trying to find some of historical connection. Perhaps there is, and perhaps there isn't. I would like to find that out. Maybe you talk to Richard at some point about that.
WK: Well we had the head of the--. [Pause] Hum. I don't want to say Hezekiah Alexander, but we had--. Gee, what was his name? A young fellow who's moved to, I think, South Carolina who headed up the historic part of Charlotte's Mint Museum, I think, at the time. I may be wrong. I'll think of his name after while. He was here several years, and he had an exhibit of the Jewish--. At least part of his exhibit showed the Jewish participation in the Confederate Army. Do you know what I'm talking about? And it was housed, I think, at the Hezekiah Alexander home some years ago.
DC: It rings a bell. Rings a bell, yes.
WK: Yeah. But I'm not sure that there is a connection.
DC: I don't know.
WK: Anyway, that's one of your
DC: Yeah.
WK: areas of volunteerism. Where else?
DC: I'm on the board of the Community Housing Development Corporation, which is a--, under the county. It is a semi-private, you know, real estate.
WK: Quasi.
DC: Quasi. Thank you.
DC: We have six properties. This is a non-profit corporation, which provides housing for chronically mentally ill, people in drug abuse programs, and--.
WK: Wonderful.
DC: [Clears throat]. We have seventy-six units, apartment units at this time.
WK: You fight the good fight to get that accepted by the neighbors?
DC: Well, we've done an interesting thing in that nobody knows where or what these are, and they're not--.
WK: Try not to be high profile.
DC: They're mixed. They're mixed with regular tenants.
WK: Oh.
DC: And there's no identification of who these folks are or why they're there or anything. And it's working very, very well.
WK: All mainstream. But these are not self-sufficient people?
DC: No. They, they are all referred by some agency out of the mental health or drug, drug abuse program or homeless.
WK: But you are in the housing part of it, not in the social services?
DC: No. In fact, the only way we found this worked, to work is to keep those absolutely separated.
WK: Understood.
DC: The, the units are rented through a regular rental agency, and we do, we do not have any contact with the, these folks at all.
WK: Are any of these subjects Jewish?
DC: No, not that I know of.
WK: OK. Other volunteer work, please.
DC: Well, then we get into the politics. [Laughter]
WK: Um-hum. Please.
DC: Which--.
WK: I wondered when you were going to get around to that.
DC: I've been quite active in, in that for a while, and I'm currently president of the Democratic Women`s Club of, Club of Mecklenburg County. And I did run for office in 1992 for legislature.
WK: And you were a professional with the Democratic party, weren't you?
DC: Yes.
WK: How long?
DC: For about three years I ran the Mecklenburg County Democratic office [Pause] here.
WK: Excellent. And are there other volunteer work, as well? Not that there should be in the group with that but--.
DC: [Laughter] Oh boy, let me see.
WK: Anything in the Jewish community?
DC: Well, I was--. A lot of it is in the past with the Jewish community that I did. I was
WK: Go for it.
DC: past-president, two terms, of B'nai Brith Women, and during one of these terms we won the Observer club award for the best civic project in the city.
WK: Outstanding. What was that project?
DC: We had a program of tutoring and mentoring at one of the black schools, and this is in the 1960s before any of this
WK: The movement.
DC: had become popular. And it was very--. We, each of us, had a little child that we worked with who, you know, we'd help with clothing and learning and doctor's appointments.
WK: One on one?
DC: Yes. And it was an excellent, excellent project. And we, we got the
WK: Got an award.
DC: big silver bowl for that.
WK: That's wonderful. All right. B`nai Brith. What else in the past?
DC: Well, let me see. Of course, I've been a member of Temple Beth El since 1959 and--.
WK: Wasn't your husband president?
DC: That's correct. He's--.
WK: So you were the--?
DC: [Laughter] I was the wif--.
WK: You were the wife of the president.
DC: [Laughter] That's right.
WK: There you are. [Laughter]
DC: Yes. And for many years, I was, you know, active in, in the Temple. Not so much now, but I was. And of course my children grew up in the Sunday school and in the day school. And I was thinking today before I came here, who do I really remember from those years is Clarence Thacker.
WK: Let's talk about Clarence Thacker.
DC: Yes.
WK: Whose wife succeeds him
DC: Thelma.
WK: as custodian of the new Temple as well as the old.
DC: Right.
WK: All right. What do you know about Clarence?
DC: Well, Clarence was just a super guy, and he drove a station wagon at that time and took the different children home from day school.
WK: I'll be darn.
DC: And he always had Ava and Willie that he would bring home after school.
WK: Was he paid for these services?
DC: I guess. I don't know. I guess he was.
WK: But not by the parents?
DC: I don't even remember.
WK: He just did it for the Temple.
DC: I don't know. He was just such a neat guy.
WK: Yes, he was.
DC: And sometimes he would sit and have lunch with the children, and it was great. We had the best time.
WK: Sweet man.
DC: Yes.
WK: And what do you remember Temple Beth El did to honor him?
DC: Let me think. Oh, I don't--.
WK: Can I remind you of this?
DC: Please.
WK: Dedicated a service to him.
DC: Yes.
WK: And we held his funeral in the Temple, and buried him out of the Temple in the black cemetery.
DC: Yes.
WK: And we've honored him on the anniversary of that, and we have honored Thelma at the Temple who carries on the tradition.
DC: Super people. Really. They are great.
WK: Thacker. Clarence and Thelma Thacker.
DC: Yep.
WK: A very important part of the Jewish community.
DC: Absolutely. Absolutely.
WK: [Laughter] I'm glad you mentioned it, because I don't think it's come up before, and we appreciate them.
DC: That, that Temple could not have operated in [Laughter] those years without
WK: Not with the grace that they left it.
DC: Clarence and Thelma and the way they handled things.
WK: Because they could have made people angry about the food and the arrangement of the chairs for the bar mitzvah when they were very uptight. And they put everyone at their ease.
DC: Absolutely.
WK: If the air conditioning was too cold, nothing was--. "It'll get warmer right away. I promise." Yeah.
DC: They really, really were,
WK: Good memories.
DC: were assets and made very home, homey feeling.
WK: Real professionals. [Laughter]
DC: Yes. [Clears throat]
WK: OK. Now you had something on your mind about Carl. Let's hear about Carl's experiences then through your eyes and ears and mind.
DC: Well, I'm trying to remember the years that Carl was president of the Temple.
WK: I'd put it around 1970. Is that about right?
DC: I'm really--. I'm not sure. I should have looked this up before I came today.
WK: I think, I think it's close.
DC: But anyway, he, he served also two terms in that position.
WK: Two times, so four years.
DC: Yes. And, and during that time the property where the Shalom Park now is, part of that came up for sale, and somehow or other he, he thought this was just a grand idea. Much--. I think he had some people disagreeing with him, but he thought that would be a good place to move Temple Beth El to, at such time as it would be moved. I mean--.
WK: Didn't he have the extra burden of some of the, some of us having already bought some property over by Charlotte Country Day School for a future Temple Beth El, and that had to be sold for this to be bought. Did you remember that?
DC: I'm not familiar with all--. I don't remember all that.
WK: Yes, so Carl went through that which was sticky. I was one of the people, so I remember--.
DC: [Laughter] Oh. You were one of them. OK.
WK: One of the first problems.
WK: That's right. So he fought well and had it bought as Temple Beth El.
DC: That's correct.
WK: Not as the--.
DC: Shalom Park. No.
WK: Shalom Park.
DC: No. It was for Temple Beth El at that point.
WK: Go on please.
DC: Well, I just think that that is an important aspect of the history, Jewish
WK: It is.
DC: history here in Charlotte because of what has come out from that, which is, of course, Shalom Park. And I, I think that he was pretty gutsy at that time to fight the fight, because I think he had a lot of objections.
WK: Yeah. And he had a revolt on his hands, too, with Rabbi Gerber and handled it with, with care and concern for everyone. I think that's very much to his credit. You have good memories about that?
DC: Yes. [Clears throat]
WK: Now we're going to celebrate the 50th anniversary at Temple Beth El in a few weeks. You, as the first lady of Temple Beth El at one time, certainly going to be there, aren't you? Fri--.
DC: I hope to be there.
WK: Friday night. OK. And they'll being saying nice things about you and others like you. You are a North Carolina Jew who moved from one city to another for reasons you've stated. In your childhood, were you part of the, were your parents part of the North Carolina Association of Jewish Men and Women or youth, youth movements of any kind? B'nai Brith? Anything that connected you with Jews in other parts of North Carolina?
DC: We were way over there on, on, by the ocean, you know?
WK: That's why I'm asking.
DC: [Laughing]
WK: That's why I'm asking. Did you travel Jewish missions to other cities as a child?
DC: We had a tem--, we have a temple in New Bern that goes back years and years and years.
WK: Of course. I know it well.
DC: And there was--. We always had a Sunday school going, and we would have a rabbi come on the holidays.
WK: I understand you never had more than ten children in that Sunday school. Is that correct?
DC: When I was there, there were two.
DC: So--.
WK: Which is a remarkable phenomenon.
DC: Yes.
WK: Yes. Go ahead.
DC: And this is a beautiful little temple. You have been in there?
WK: Oh yes.
DC: And it, it, it's, you know, still there, although--. Now again, they don't have--. They never have had a rabbi for--that I know of. But there's sort of a--.
WK: Wasn't the circuit rider there for a moment?
DC: They, they share on with Kinston, I think it is, or Greenville.
WK: Oh yes. Wilson or--?
DC: Somewhere like that.
WK: I was in Wilson.
DC: Some nearby town.
WK: Yeah, and sometimes New Bern. OK.
DC: Yeah, yeah.
WK: But not on Fridays necessarily?
DC: No. [Laughter] It's always on Tuesday night.
DC: Friday evening services on Tuesday night.
WK: That's a, that's part of Jewish history.
DC: [Laughter]. Right.
WK: So you had your services on Tuesday night. You remember that really?
DC: Oh surely.
WK: In the temple building.
DC: Oh yes. Of course.
DC: Yes.
WK: And, you had--it was Shabbos for you.
DC: Yes.
WK: Lit the candles and had the sermon and--.
DC: The whole thing. Yes.
WK: Very nice.
DC: Yes. And, you know, it didn't really matter that it was Tuesday night. It was
WK: Well you just made a very big statement.
DC: same thing.
WK: It didn't bother you a bit?
DC: No.
WK: Were there any ceremonies conducted there? The life cycle ceremonies?
DC: Oh yes.
WK: OK. ( ), weddings, deaths?
DC: Of course. Oh yes.
WK: And then you did draw a rabbi from another city?
DC: Yes.
WK: For those purposes?
DC: Yes, yes.
WK: From what city please? Wilmington?
DC: Well, sometimes we'd get it from Hebrew Union College is, is--?
WK: Yes, exactly. Yes, exactly.
DC: We'd get usually a young man would come.
WK: Yeah. They'd fly them in.
DC: Yeah, and, or sometimes it was rabbi from Kinston who at that time was Rabbi (Telanchko), I believe.
WK: Oh, that's right.
DC: And we'd have bar mitzvahs and--. Not many weddings. I can't remember many weddings, but of course there was several funerals.
WK: Which is going to be a problem for growth, wasn't it?
DC: [Laughter] Yes, that's right.
WK: And you left. Who were the others? Any others that have come to Charlotte from New Bern? Well your cousin's here.
DC: Yes. Bob Yudell.
WK: Now, was he in New Bern?
DC: Yes.
DC: He and I grew up together in New Bern.
WK: Now what brought Bob here?
DC: Us.
WK: Us? He followed you.
DC: I guess. Yeah. He was--, had been to
WK: He was already a professional.
DC: medical school. He was just coming out of medical school--.
WK: As a phys--, as an eye--.
DC: Ophthalmologist.
WK: Ophthalmologist. Right.
DC: And was looking for where to set up his practice.
WK: And he followed you.
DC: And he came here and liked it.
WK: Never left, and he's very much a part of the community as you are.
DC: Indeed. Indeed.
WK: So you're close?
DC: Yes.
WK: [Laughter]
DC: Yes.
WK: OK. They have their own story to tell. I don't want to tell that through you but, so we'll, we'll--.
DC: I hope we agree on something. So--. [Laughter]
WK: What? [Laughter] Yeah, one or two.
DC: I better call them up quick.
WK: No, yeah close the door.
DC: Tell them what I said.
WK: Yeah. Right. What's the future of people like you in Charlotte? Do you--? I mentioned that you were bringing your family back together; that will add some strength. You have your cousin here, Bob Yudell, and his family here. And he has his children here, doesn't he?
DC: Yes. Some of them. He has four daughters.
WK: They're not all here.
DC: Two are here; two are not.
WK: Right. OK. Is Charlotte a growing Jewish community from your standpoint of North Carolina born and bred and--, or raised I should say?
DC: I am very proud of the Jewish community in Charlotte, and I only wish that there was more involvement with the general community, you know, the non-Jewish community, such as in government situations and board situations. I mean part--.
WK: What are you speaking of? The past or another city?
DC: Sir?
WK: You said there was more. Is that what I heard you say? There was more.
DC: I wish there were more.
WK: We wish there were more. I see.
DC: Involvement. Yes.
WK: OK, in the future?
DC: Yes.
WK: OK. Continue please.
DC: I, I, I sense very big hesitation on the part of Jewish people generally to get involved in city things and politics and community affairs other than Jewish things. And I think it would be--. I mean these are very bright people. They could contribute a lot. And I don't know if it's a fear or apathy or they don't care to be involved or--.
WK: You are aware of course that both temples have social action committees?
DC: Yes.
WK: Do you feel that's a proper forum for this activity?
DC: I have asked to speak at this, and I have never been told when to come or--. I have some specific things I'd like to say, and I can't seem to get much attention. I mean, there again, and I've told them what I want to talk about.
WK: Yeah. And they're on some other agenda?
DC: I don't know what their agenda is.
WK: Right? Yeah. All right. Very good.
DC: I think that there's a kind of head in the sand attitude a lot of times in the, in the Jewish community.
WK: Don't rock the boat attitude?
DC: Yeah.
WK: Everything's going along just fine.
DC: Yeah.
WK: Let them work on crime, blacks, other stuff.
DC: See--. Yeah. I don't--. I feel that it's very important that we be--, Jewish community becomes involved in these things.
WK: And anti-Semitism doesn't have to be the key to that, does that?
DC: No. I don't see why. No, not at all.
WK: Do you experience anti-Semitism? Did you as a child?
DC: Not as a child. The time I did was here in Charlotte when I ran for legislature.
WK: What'd you get? Oh yeah. I think I know a little something about that. Do you want to tell, tell us all about that?
DC: Well, I received several bottles of unknown liquid, which turned out to be urine, in my mailbox with paper wrapped around it--.
WK: You're sure of that?
DC: With swastikas and--.
WK: You could tell. Swastikas. OK. Now we're getting Jewish, right?
DC: Yeah, and, yeah. And I was the pro-choice candidate in, in the--.
WK: Legislature.
DC: In the legislative race in District 57, which is in Southeast Charlotte, and my opponent--.
WK: Who was Republican. This was Democrat versus Republican.
DC: Not just Republican, far Right.
WK: Yes.
DC: And while I do not think that she had anything whatever to do with this, I feel that the people who were supporting her did. And I received some strange phone calls at that time and some letters, and an accusation of some involvement with a black woman here in town [Laughter] who was also running. It was--. But that's the only real experience at that time.
WK: That's, that's dirty politics.
DC: Well yeah, and real extreme
WK: Yeah.
DC: stuff that's--.
WK: Not particularly Jewish or specifically Jewish-identified.
DC: I'm, I'm not understanding.
WK: These, these efforts to dissuade you from running or discourage you, were they anti-Semitic in any way? You said swastikas.
DC: Yes, yes.
WK: OK. That's all.
DC: Well I think they were, but these people, I think, hate everybody who don't [Laughter] do what they want to do, which is the far Right, conservative.
WK: Well as a candidate, you felt comfortable and right in talking about Pro-Choice.
DC: Indeed.
WK: As far as abortion is concerned.
DC: Yes, I did.
WK: What other position did you take that was controversial?
DC: Well in that race, that's, this far Right managed to hone in on that,
WK: Yes.
DC: which I kept trying to talk about issues and [Laughter]--.
WK: It wasn't your choice of, of issues.
DC: No, and yet this--.
WK: You were driven to that?
DC: Yes.
DC: My opponent would never appear--.
WK: You had to answer the question, and you did.
DC: Yeah. My opponent would never appear in public forum or anything with me, but it was all kind of from the side and from the back and--. It was a great distraction from what the campaign really should have been about.
WK: Right.
DC: And I had no control over the media, and they just didn't seem to understand what was going on [Laughter] and could have cared less. And that bothered me a great deal.
WK: You chose the--. This was your first effort to public office, right?
DC: Yes.
WK: And you lost.
DC: Yes.
WK: And you're going to try to again, and perhaps some other area? Correct? Certainly. I don't even have to ask. You have a political career ahead of you clearly. You have done wonders, and you haven't mentioned it yet, with the city as far as making them understand the problems of widening Providence Road. Would you tell us about that?
DC: This is a continuing saga [Laughter] that even yesterday has a new installment. Well development in, in Charlotte, I'd say what fifteen, twenty years ago? How long would you say that it started to grow towards the south, southeast?
WK: I'd say it started with the Indians about 250 years ago, to be quite truthful. It was an Indian trading
DC: That's correct.
WK: path then to Waxhaw and has developed ever since in that direction.
DC: But somewhere along in the 70s, 80s, or somewhere there was a grand move by developers to make this the residential area.
WK: The wealthier residential area.
DC: Yeah, yeah, right. And all efforts were expended towards building up this area. However, and they were very successful at it, but they didn't pay any attention to [Laughter] how people were going to get there and back. This Providence Road is State Road North Carolina 16 South, and--. So although it gets closer and closer to the city, the city doesn't want to have anything to do with it because it's a state road. The state road keeps avoiding it, however it is on the list to be widened. It should be completed by 1999, but at the rate they're going, I don't know if they'll ever start because it's--.
WK: We're all praying to live that long. Is it like that?
DC: Yeah. Yeah.
WK: What about west of 16, which goes through a much poorer part of town, more rural, more controversial in that it's partly industrial. It won't perk for homes such as that. What's happening to 16 West?
DC: I think it's got about eight lanes.
WK: You're right. An interesting point.
DC: [Laughter] Yes.
WK: However 16 West goes somewhere, and 16--.
DC: South.
WK: I should say North and South.
DC: Yeah.
WK: South does not.
DC: Ends in Waxhaw.
WK: It's a pure, it's a purely residential feeder.
DC: Yes, and--.
WK: And for that reason the state considers it Charlotte's little wagon.
DC: Right, and the fact is it's known as Providence Road. Why it is a state road, I have never understood really, because it doesn't go anywhere south.
WK: Why does a one lone Jewish woman, professional woman in Charlotte, pick up an issue like this and run with it? Answer please.
DC: [Laughter] Well, I got interested in, in neighborhood issues and, around right where I live, and there were a number of things that, that came up. And it turned out that the biggest issue was the road. After all was said and done, all the neighborhoods were involved. I mean it touched everybody, and it does today. And it just became a, a major focus of the efforts to--.
WK: Go ahead please.
DC: Fix the, the community. And I was elected president of the Southeast Coalition of Neighborhoods, which has membership which varies at times depending upon what is happening.
WK: So you have a bench behind you?
DC: Yes.
WK: OK. And you felt motivated by a natural feeling of the problem and no solution.
DC: Yes, I did.
WK: So you took it on yourself? And it's still yours, after how many years please?
DC: This is going on fifteen years, I'd say.
WK: Without quitting?
DC: No!
WK: No thought of quitting?
DC: No.
WK: Outstanding.
DC: I got to get out of my house and get to town. [Laughter]
WK: [Laughter] Yeah, you're one of them.
DC: Oh yes, indeed.
WK: Yeah.
DC: I'm, I'm right where it is and it's--.
WK: Has the Jewish community supported you, any differently from anyone else?
DC: Not, not especially, nor did they in my run for--.
WK: They just did your ( ).
DC: Although many of these folks live out here. When the collar gets tight on them, I do get calls, but I don't get much help.
WK: Yeah. Typically of everyone, right? You find yourself alone.
DC: Yeah.
DC: I was very disappointed in the lack of support when I ran for legislature from the Jewish community.
WK: OK. Let's talk about that.
DC: Specific individuals came through strongly and were very supportive, but overall, many of the people in the Jewish community live in the district where I was running, and I mean it totally amazed me that they would let this far Right-wing opponent just take it. And, and--.
WK: And win?
DC: And win.
WK: Has she done anything adverse to the Jewish community? Wilson? Connie Wilson?
DC: Yes, that's her name.
WK: I was trying to forget it. I'm sorry. [Laughter]
DC: Me, too. No, I don't think directly, but her beliefs are of far Right, fundamentalist. She's--.
WK: Leaving her mark is she?
DC: From Pat Robertson group.
WK: You call that far Right? My goodness. [Laughter]
DC: No, it isn't?
WK: It's far Right.
DC: Yes, it sure is. And I just felt that I was very disappointed that the Jewish community did not more strongly support me, especially since they were all eligible to vote for me.
WK: Do you think if it were done again, it would be better for you?
DC: No.
WK: But you're going to stay in there?
DC: Probably.
WK: Good for you. Dottie, thank you. We appreciate your being part of history.