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Interview with Elizabeth Stinson

Stinson, Elizabeth
Cummings, Zakia
Date of Interview: 
then and now
Elizabeth Stinson talks about her life and things she likes to do, such as sing and paint.
Charlotte Narrative and Conversation Collection
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Zakia Cummings interviews Charlotteans to collect stories for a class project at UNC Charlotte.
ZC (Zakia Cummings): Quality of life, security, recreation, social, esteem, housing, education, arts and culture physiological bodily needs, health and that's all. ( ) Now you can look through these and pick out which ones you want to talk about first and I'll ask you some questions on it, OK? Just any one that you want.
ES (Elizabeth Stinson): You say that quality of life? Are you talking about memories ( )?
ZC: What makes a person like happy in life?
ES: Uh-huh.
ZC: What makes a person have a good life? Like what does it mean to have a, a good life or a satisfying life. Uh-huh, that's what I mean. On that one?
ES: Your name, too.
ZC: Oh, my name? My name?
ES: Uh-huh.
ZC: My name is Zakia Cummings.
ES: Who?
ZC: Is Zakia Cummings.
ES: Zakia. How do you spell that?
ZC: Z-A-K-I-A.
ES: Zakia?
ZC: Zakia.
ES: Zakia?
ZC: Zakia. Uh-huh.
ES: Who named you?
ZC: My, my dad but he, uh, a lot of people just call me Z.
ES: Are you ( ) if someone call you. ( )
ZC: She can call me. ( ) [Laugh]
ES: Then you accept that?
ZC: Yeah. I'm, I've grown up with it all my life. OK.
ES: [Laugh] Oh, well. I'm I, I'm so happy to have the opportunity to talk with you and to find out really what, what is your, uh, uh, question what's your aim?
ZC: Uh-huh.
ES: As far as this, this type of. ( )
ZC: Uh, my aim is just to, uh, talk with African-American elderly just to see that their view on life, um, to see what's their definition of what makes them personally have a happy life and, um, things of that nature, basically. Just to talk with you that's all.
ES: All right.
ZC: So I see that you picked health.
ES: Yes.
ZC: As the number one, um, and I wanted to ask you things surrounded around uh, medication. Um, what medication do you take on a daily basis, if any? What type of medication do you take?
ES: Well I, I have been blessed because, uh, medications ( ) uh, I take I don't take much medicine.
ES: Even though I have undergone operations that was, uh, ( ) and that was a uh, something that I, something I ( ) for my ectopic pregnancy I had when I was uh, 22 years old. My husband ( ) and I, uh, didn't, didn't even knew one of us was, was well, that type of operation.
ZC: ( )
ES: It wasn't, it was something that was frightening to me because I, I just didn't even know any thing about ectopic pregnancy. That's pregnancy during the tubes. ( ) It wasn't, ( ) it wasn't easy, uh, thing to really be afraid of if you knew how, how, how ( ) so, uh, I've been blessed with that type of experience.
ZC: So you take, so you don't take much medicine. About the medicine that you take, like how do you take, um, how do you feel before you take the medicine and how do you feel after?
ES: Well I, I felt real nervous because I didn't know the ( ) ectopic pregnancy you're talking about when I was very young because I married right out of high school before I went to college but after I found out it wasn't anything really, uh, uh so frightening but it's because I didn't know anything about it. ( ) Something that was trying to [laugh] um, a new word ectopic, you know, pregnancy which was pregnancy in the tube, you know.
ZC: ( )
ES: ( ) I after it was over I went to the ( ) about it in fact I talked about it freely. [Laugh] My, my sister warned me said, "Elizabeth don't-" she don't call me Elizabeth said, "Liv, that's nothing to be afraid of. It's over." [Laugh] So I it's still things you don't know anything about these things. ( ) I, I ( ) really happy that, that. ( )
ZC: So after you, like so do you, do you still take medicine for that?
ES: Oh, no because that doctor say, he said it was something that happens. It's more of a, a something that you, it's, it's, it's a pregnancy. That pregnancy that's in lodged in your tubes ( ) really, really ( ) [laugh] know too much about that. I was disappointed and most things are feel for you don't know much about that.
ZC: So right now you really don't take any medicines?
ES: No.
ZC: OK. Um, also I just wanted to, uh, ask you about like the new fashion that is out. Like how do you feel like about as far as like the hair styles that's out? Have you seen some of the hair styles?
ES: I have seen some of the hairstyles some of them look very funny [laugh] ( ) uh, but after you after you set your hairstyles you don't need you really don't, uh, be honest ( ) is skeptical ( ) when you first. ( )
ES: And after all I'm one of the, uh, kind of person who, um, uh, whose up in years up in years and that, that kind of [laugh] you mention those skeptical about wearing, wearing some things but I after, after you accept it, it's, it's fun when you get to appreciate it, you know. So ( ) OK.
ZC: OK. Um, all right. Uh, so you, OK so, um, so you, you don't have any illness? Have you been diagnosed with any illness-.
ES: Oh, OK.
ZC: -Or you're in perfect health?
ES: No, I'm not in perfect health but I, I am my health is ( ) um, really, really ( ) because I, I don't have headaches I, I got me some brand new glasses that I hope ( ) glasses today .
ZC: Uh-huh.
ES: They were, they were given, given to me by my, my, given to me but they weren't given to me but I earned them from, uh, an examination that we had here at the college.
ZC: Oh, OK.
ES: I, I think they look pretty good.
ZC: Yeah, they do. They do. [Laugh] Um, OK. So what, so like what illness have you been diagnosed with?
ES: Well, I just told you about my ectopic \\pregnancy.\\
ZC: \\ Pregnancy. \\
ES: I haven't had serious illnesses, maybe colds.
ZC: Colds?
ES: ( )
ZC: Here and there.
ES: ( ) Now I, I really been blessed in very good health.
ZC: OK. Um, and how do feel on a daily basis?
ES: Um, well you know I, I, I have a some of my friends kid me and say I'm a happy-go-lucky person but I'm not. Really I hide some of the things that I feel but, uh, I don't want to feel, I don't want to feel with a negative attitude, you know. Uh, uh I, I feel pretty good.
ZC: On a daily basis?
ES: On a daily basis I've had headaches. I, I can't remember too many times that I've had headaches and I have all of my teeth. [Laugh] And, and I, I'm embarrassed to talk about it because it sounds like I'm boasting you know but I have all of my teeth and [laugh] I, I, I'm blessed as far my health is concerned. ( ) I used to and so care about, uh, wearing the bras because I always ( ) bust to, uh, to, to keep up with some of my friends because they had nice little busts you know and I, I [laugh] and it sounds funny but it, it, it was really it was really embarrassing because my busts wasn't as full and round and full like some of my friend girls. So I wear, I wear some times, uh, a pad in my brassiere so my bust would look nice and full. [Laugh] That, that sounds silly but it's the truth.
ZC: Uh-huh. OK. Well, that's the first topic we've finished already.
ES: Oh.
ZC: Health. OK now you can pick another one.
ES: ( ) Quality of life.
ZC: You like that?
ES: Yeah.
ZC: Quality of life. Topic number two.
ES: Yeah.
ES: Well, quality of life to me was being grateful of, of things that I , I ( ) and, and it's not money and it's not really, quality of life is more how to enjoy the things that you do have uh, uh and uh, I can, I can swim. I, I can, uh. I used to play basket-, basketball in school. Basketball. Uh, I, I, I have a pretty fair voice ( ) uh, recognition in ( ) and the Glee Club. I would love, love, I would sing. Uh, also I enjoy, uh, ( ) contests in school uh, and that carry me over to ( ) uh, able to compete. So that's one thing. ( ) Then I got so that I, I, used to want to be in ( ) contests in school. ( ) Was ( ) it carried over, over into church life. I, I, I enjoy that. I, I, I never had be able to, to, to really get used to competing with boys because I used to, in my day, we didn't compete with boys but now I, I like it I like to look at it now, I, a friend of mine is trying to get me to practice golf.
ZC: Golf?
ES: Uh-huh. I'm not so good at it yet but maybe I [laugh] might.
ZC: You like it?
ES: [Laugh] Yeah.
ZC: [Laugh] Um, OK. What do you think makes a person happy in life? What are some of things that make people happy in life?
ES: Well now. ( ) A lot of things ( ) something that you have to decide what you want and how long it's going to take you to get what you want. I, I, I, I'm happy. I'm happy but I'm not as happy as I think I ( ) my, my, my friends. I don't have too much money. One thing, money is getting to be or something [laugh] that seems to help me. I don't have too much money and now I'm getting so that I don't need to compete because it takes it takes too much to. ( )
ZC: So what makes you happy as a person?
ES: Oh, what makes me happy? Um, you ask me a question. Now well, it doesn't, it doesn't take so much to make me happy. Uh if I, if I got, I got grandchildren and I can send you, I can show you right now in a few minutes uh, uh two or three cards that I got from my grandchildren for Mother's Day.
ZC: ( )
ES: Uh, uh I'm happy because a lot time my children my children are I, I try not to boss or control them see because I'm, I'm, I'm up in years. Uh ( ) it's just between you and me. [Laugh] I've, I've not really ashamed of it because I don't boast about it, either.
ZC: Uh-huh.
ES: Because when you get to be in your eighties you, you don't boast about that. Not unless you're in some of confidence. Uh I, I, I, I ( ) much ( ) security.
ZC: And that's the next one you want to talk about?
ES: Yeah. [Laugh]
ZC: Security. OK. Um, what are you're biggest fears?
ES: Fears?
ZC: Fears. Yeah, what are biggest fears?
ES: Well my biggest fear now is, is driving.
ZC: Driving?
ES: ( ) To drive uh, and sometimes I ( ) it is ( ) gave up my license to drive. I want to drive but I, I'm kind of scared because of driving to me is, is. ( ) That may be. I may be exaggerating uh I, I ( ) I mean to tell you my daughter, that's she's going to come home and she's, she's going to do the driving.
ZC: Uh-huh.
ES: And I think maybe maturity makes me feel calm not so ( ) because they talk about it so much.
ZC: They talk about your driving?
ES: No, they talk about. ( ) How they make me feel real secure. [Laugh] Sometime the. ( )
ZC: [Laugh] ( )
ES: Huh.
ZC: Or you were talking about your children or?
ES: The, the, the-.
ZC: The lady?
ES: -The, the, they watch you. [Laugh]
ZC: [Laugh] They make you feel secure?
ES: Insecure. [Laugh] Don't say that. Don't. You're not going to put that down.
ZC: OK. Um, name some of the times within this month when you felt scared. And during that time, why did you feel scared? Within this month, name some of the times when you, when you were afraid.
ES: Well, well, uh, one time, uh, I see I, I gave a. ( ) Well, I really didn't give it up. I was I, I gave ( ) because I ( ) stores by myself. Uh, I had, I had ( ) when I had, uh, uh ( ) and then, uh, uh ( ) kitchen ( ) kitchen. I had four rooms. I, I, I moved out my house. And I, and oh I just enjoyed it so much but you see I, uh, took a bath in the ( ) and I took a shower in. ( ) I was living alone. ( ) All night until my daughter come home and she checks and see ( ) because it was embarrassing, you know. I ( ) but I got over it. I got, I overcame it enough to realize that I really should have done it in the first place. I should have let somebody stay with me until I. ( )
ZC: So is, like is that the last time you were fearful that you felt fear?
ES: Yeah.
ZC: OK and when was when was that? Was that like a year ago?
ES: Oh it, almost, almost two years.
ZC: Almost two years ago. That was the last time you felt fear?
ES: Uh-huh.
ZC: OK. Um, OK. And the last question on your security is, have you or a friend ever had anything stolen from you?
ES: Oh, boy. You got that. [Laugh] I'm sorry. [Laugh] I have to tell you the truth. [Laugh] Yes.
ZC: What was it? What was it?
ES: When was it?
ZC: Um, no. What was it that you had stolen?
ES: All my clothes.
ZC: Yeah? All your-.
ES: All of my clothes. All my clothes.
ZC: When was the, is that when you lived at home? When you were here?
ES: No, no. Not that, not here ( ) place before I moved here.
ZC: It wasn't this place. It was the place before here?
ES: Uh-huh.
ZC: And where was that? Was that like assisted living like this or a nursing home? Where did you live before then?
ES: Oh, it was more it was more of an independent living.
ZC: An independent-, OK.
ES: Uh-huh.
ZC: And they stole your clothes?
ES: Every decent thing I had and, uh, but, uh, that's OK. I mean I was afraid. I was glad that it happened then instead of now.
ZC: Uh-huh. Any other instances that you want talk about like where you or a friend, like a friend of yours, uh, had something stolen from them? Any other instances?
ES: Well, I didn't think of that. I had happened to me. ( ) I never had. ( )
ZC: Uh, after that.
ES: ( )
ZC: Finished that topic security. We're going, we're moving along, right ahead. [Laugh] Finished three already. You're doing really good. Um, any uh, anyone else that you want to talk about?
ES: Well I, I want to I really want to, uh, to do more recreation.
ZC: Recreation, OK. Um, so what is your favorite thing to do? You talked about you liked being in contests. What else do you like to do?
ES: Oh I, I, I really like uh, tennis.
ZC: You like tennis?
ES: Uh-huh.
ZC: You talked about golf before.
ES: Uh-huh.
ZC: Learning how to play golf. You like tennis?
ES: ( ) I, I like uh, uh well I don't care too much about getting in water you know-.
ZC: Uh-huh.
ES: -Swimming. I, I, I'll get in but I'm wading.
ZC: Uh-huh.
ES: And uh I, I tell you the truth. Uh, went to the bath, went to the, uh, water park swimming you know, swimming. Not really swimming. I went swimming for, for, uh, I don't know. I get in the water. I like, like to get in water just to play you know.
ZC: Uh-huh.
ES: But not a whole lot of swimming.
ZC: [Laugh] OK. So you that's like you like to do that but you more like doing golf or tennis?
ES: Yeah, yeah.
ZC: OK. What is your least favorite thing to do?
ES: My least what?
ZC: Favorite thing to do.
ES: Well I, I, I'm, I'm not, I'm not I'm not, uh, uh, uh, walking.
ZC: Walking.
ES: And that's what I should do. Go walking. I'm not too much of a person who, who always, always exercises.
ZC: Uh-huh.
ES: I, I'll, I'll do it but I'll do it just for my health not, not just because I just want to.
ZC: And how come you really like walking or exercising?
ES: Well, uh, they talk they talk too much about getting hurt and [cough] don't let the people take advantage of it you know and I, I, I'm kind of a person, I'm not too much for that.
ZC: ( ) Um, now you talk about, you like tennis and golf as your favorite things to do.
ES: Yes.
ZC: Why do like tennis? Why do you like golf?
ES: [Laugh] Well, I didn't say baseball.
ZC: Oh, you like baseball?
ES: Uh-huh.
ZC: Uh-huh.
ES: Oh well, I like tennis because I used, used to play tennis a lot.
ZC: Oh, OK.
ES: When I was in high school all my brothers ( ) challenged me you know. They knew I couldn't play as well as they ( ) it, it helped me.
ZC: Uh-huh.
ES: Uh ( ) I'm, I'm not too much of an athlete, athlete person. I, I, I, I'll do it just to try to prove that I can.
ZC: Uh-huh.
ES: Not, not because I like it.
ZC: Uh-huh.
ES: ( )
ZC: [Laugh] OK. Um, but the things that you do, like why do you like, why do you like them?
ES: Because I'm pretty good at it.
ZC: You're pretty good. [Laugh] OK. Um, so we finished with rec-, oh no, no we're not. Oh. What do you observe other people liking to do? Like what do you see other people liking to do?
ES: Like what do they like to do?
ZC: Uh-huh. What have you seen that other people like to do?
ES: Oh, well. Um, hmm, well I, I don't observe too much. Uh, hmm, recreation [pause] well [pause] um-.
ZC: Like people around here. Maybe your roommate. What does she like to do or people do that you think?
ES: I like but my roommate talks too much negative stuff.
ZC: Uh-huh.
ES: And I try to she, she, she sees people doing a lot of things that not, she doesn't like and I, I don't. If I see you doing something and I don't like to do it, uh, I won't talk too much about it because I want you, if you like it the best, OK. Go on and do it.
ZC: Uh-huh.
ES: She tries to and she thinks that helps.
ZC: Uh-huh.
ES: But I don't think, I don't think it helps to criticize people's likes, likes because I, I don't like it. I just let you go and do it.
ZC: Uh-huh.
ES: I'm not too much for negative criticisms.
ZC: Uh-huh.
ES: Uh-huh. Not unless I think it will help.
ZC: Uh-huh. So like ( ) like people maybe you'll see somebody here that also. ( ) One of your friends or somebody you talk to, what do they like to do? Do you know what they like to do? Like some activities or games or walking what do they like to do?
ES: Well, well I, I a lot of things they do as far as games card games.
ZC: Card games.
ES: Uh-huh. ( ) For them you know I almost ( ) some kind of. ( )
ZC: Uh-huh. But you see other people liking to play cards. OK. Um, what types of, um, recreational activities do they have here at um, at this home for you guys to do what do they?
ES: Oh they have a lot a lot of activities ( ) uh, they like to play card games ( ) that you see and I, I don't talk about it I don't talk about it when I don't like it.
ZC: Uh-huh.
ES: I just don't, don't participate. That, that, that [laugh] isn't good I know but that's just the way I am.
ZC: Uh-huh. I saw that, uh, Mrs. Moses she's taking people out, uh, to shopping, to Wal-Mart and Food Lion.
ES: Yeah.
ZC: So um, what other activities have, have here for you to do?
ES: ( ) [Laugh]
ZC: ( ) [Laugh]
ES: ( )
ZC: Uh-huh.
ES: ( ) They, they like for me to. ( )
ZC: Uh-huh.
ES: Because if I don't like it, I'll supervise it. I won't criticize. Just see that you get what you want if you like, if you like to go there on these days I'll supervise it. [Laugh]
ZC: Uh-huh.
ES: Because, uh, that's just the way I am.
ZC: You supervise things.
ES: Yeah, I'm a good supervisor.
ZC: Do you guys-, I saw a devotion. You guys have devotion?
ES: Yeah. Now I, now I, lead the devotion, I supervise ( ) programs.
ES: And I, I can do that.
ZC: What type of programs?
ES: Like musicals, debating-.
ZC: Um.
ES: Um, ( ) we have plays and supervise that you know I, I'm good at being in charge. [Laugh]
ZC: OK. The, so which activities here do you participate in?
ES: Oh well, I participate.
ZC: You talked about the plays.
ES: Huh?
ZC: You talked about you supervising the plays.
ES: Oh, yeah. I love drama acting. [Laugh]
ZC: And what else do you participate in here?
ES: Uh, singing.
ZC: Singing?
ES: In the chorus. We have chorus. And, and sometimes you can get a lot of activities out person ( ) they know you like it, you know.
ZC: Uh-huh.
ES: And if you're not, if you're not too critical you know.
ZC: Uh-huh.
ES: You, you criticize it's a pos-, positive criticism ( ) show they like how, how to improve their singing.
ZC: Uh-huh.
ES: ( )
ZC: OK. So like the activities that you do here, um, that you like to do, um, what, what are some of the things that you don't uh, do here? Like what are some activities that they have but you choose not to participate in?
ES: ( ) [Pause] Um, they don't have any. They don't have any ( ) they don't have anything. ( )
ZC: Do you play these parts?
ES: Yeah, I like that.
ZC: You like that?
ES: ( )
ZC: Uh-huh.
ES: If they let you know just like maybe you want me to play the part of somebody.
ZC: Uh-huh.
ES: Imitate. I can do that, [laugh] imitate. I guess it's because that's what I like to do.
ZC: Uh-huh.
ES: ( ) Only when I'm. ( )
ZC: So name something that you don't do here but people do it they have these type of activities but you don't do it you don't participate in it what are some of those things?
ES: I observe, I observe it.
ZC: So what do you observe here?
ES: Well um, we, we have ( ) we have plays.
ZC: Uh-huh.
ES: ( ) We have ( ) we have a, oh, we have choral we have choral group. ( ) activity. We do that. I, I, I, I. ( )
ZC: Well, we finished recreation that topic. You're doing really good. [Laugh] OK, what else? What's the next topic?
ES: Social.
ZC: That's what you want to talk about?
ES: \\ Yeah, yeah. \\
ZC: \\ So we have, we have \\ social, we have esteem, we have a lot of different things. It's up to you which one you want to talk about.
ES: I like social.
ZC: You like social?
ES: Yeah. I like things I used to do a long time ( ) went to Charleston [laugh] I mean just for fun.
ZC: Uh-huh.
ES: We enjoyed uh, uh, uh we did we did the waltz. It's a lot of different dances and, and people say [laugh], "O Lord, look at-." They think I'm too old to do that but I can do it. [Laugh]
ZC: Like, I wanted to ask you, like what do you like to spend doing and why? Who do you like to spend your time with and why?
ES: ( ) But-.
ZC: Uh-huh.
ES: I have a very dear friend.
ZC: Uh-huh.
ES: That I'm thinking about maybe, maybe ( ) do talk about that?
ZC: Yeah, uh-huh sure. You-.
ES: He, he, he likes everything I like, you know, and he's a lot of fun.
ZC: Uh-huh.
ES: ( ) Play cards.
ZC: Uh-huh. Play cards.
ES: Uh-huh we play cards, we play. ( )
ZC: So do you consider him as a friend?
ES: Yeah.
ZC: Yeah.
ES: ( )
ZC: So why do like him? What makes him a friend of yours?
ES: He agrees with me a lot of times. [Laugh]
ZC: Do you guys do activities together?
ES: Yeah, yes.
ZC: Such as what do you do? You dance?
ES: Two-step ( ) you don't know about two-step do you?
ZC: Is that when you're with somebody and \\ you go step up and step back? \\ [Laugh]
ES: \\ ( ) Yeah. \\ [Laugh] You, you think I can't do that, do you?
ZC: I can think you can. Do I think you a pretty nice dancer? I'd bet on that. [Laugh] Um, who do like to spend, who would like to spend more time with?
ES: Oh, well. I have to say ( ) [pause] ( ) back to this friend of mine.
ZC: Uh-huh.
ES: He doesn't, he don't know this.
ZC: Huh.
ES: I, I, I, I, like to dance with him.
ZC: Uh-huh.
ES: And I like to um, sing. He's a beautiful voice.
ZC: Uh-huh.
ES: I like to, I actually, I really wish he belonged to, our church so he could sing. I like the music.
ZC: Uh-huh. So is he the person you would like to spend more time with?
ES: Oh. [Laugh] ( )
ZC: [Laugh] OK who are the most important people, um, in your life?
ES: My son.
ZC: Your-.
ES: I, my son.
ZC: Uh-huh.
ES: They not children anymore. ( ) They, they, they not the type to whatever. I'm too cautious too much but I'm supposed to be cautious. ( ) They're not, they're not criticize they're not critical but I meant when I said critical ( ) if I, if I, if I, if I ( ) have a little-two step. You know that the two-step is?
ZC: Uh-huh.
ES: And they, they don't criticize me. "Oh, Mama. You can't do that." They laugh and, and join in you know, and I like, like that.
ZC: Uh-huh.
ES: Who the real social.
ZC: So are they the most important people of your life?
ES: Yeah.
ZC: Anybody else?
ES: Well, you know. [Laugh]
ZC: [Laugh] Your friend. OK. Um, what's the nicest thing someone has ever done for you?
ES: What's the nicest-?
ZC: Thing.
ES: Uh, nicest thing that a person done is, uh, taught me to taught, taught me to, to play the game.
ZC: What's the name of the game?
ES: Uh it's, it's a card game. I ( ) it's what kind, well, what's the name of it? Blackjack. Used to play.
ZC: Blackjack?
ES: Have you ever heard that?
ZC: Yes, my mom plays it all the time.
ES: Oh, tell her she's going to. ( )
ZC: [Laugh] So that is the \\ nicest thing \\ somebody's done for you?
ES: \\ Uh-huh, \\ because everybody plays it.
ZC: Uh-huh.
ES: Uh-huh.
ZC: And why did you think that was so nice that that person taught you blackjack? [Laugh]
ES: Because he acts like he enjoys it.
ZC: Uh-huh.
ES: Uh-huh.
ZC: OK. That's it for social. OK. What's the next one you want to listen to?
ES: Esteem.
ZC: Esteem. \\That's a good card for you.\\
ES: \\ ( ) Now yes that's. ( ) \\
ES: ( )
ZC: Um, [laugh] who makes who makes most important, who makes you feel important?
ES: [Laugh] I, I, I wish I had the picture. I'd show you.
ZC: Uh-huh. Who makes you feel unimportant?
ES: My friend of mine.
ZC: Is that the same friend we were talking about before? How does he feel make you feel important?
ES: He tells me how nice I look and if I don't look nice he don't, he won't tell me how nice you know. Some people a flatter you, you know.
ZC: Uh-huh.
ES: But he, he he's a wonderful critic, criticize.
ZC: Uh-huh.
ES: ( ) He'll give you critical, uh, uh analysis.
ZC: Uh-huh.
ES: And if he say you look nice, you look nice. He means that. [Laugh] And I'm a crazy old lady, ain't it?
ZC: Do um, so, uh, he makes feel important?
ES: Yeah.
ZC: Anybody else?
ES: No. ( )
ZC: Is your friend? OK. I want to ask you about the young generation like, like people like me. Do you think young people respect, um, the older generation?
ES: Not, not, not, not see. Yes, yes, and no.
ZC: Uh-huh.
ES: Yes, yes. They do some. Not all the, all the young people are alike.
ZC: Uh-huh.
ES: You know. Some of them ( )
ZC: Some of them doing. So, can you give me an example of some people, of some younger people, uh, respecting older adults? Something that you've seen and some younger people uh, not you know, not respecting-.
ES: Uh-huh.
ZC: -Young adults? Can you think of any situations that you've seen?
ES: That I, that I experienced?
ZC: Yes.
ES: Well I, I, I think a lot of it depends on the older adults.
ZC: Uh-huh.
ES: Uh, because sometimes those older adults expect too much from younger. ( ) In the day that they're knowledge and, uh and, and ( ) how things are, you know.
ZC: Who doesn't? You are, you're saying the older adults don't value the knowledge of the younger generation or the younger generation doesn't value the knowledge of the older people?
ES: ( )
ZC: The second one, the younger-?
ES: I think that they, because I, I'm out of style.
ES: But not, not the majority but a large segment?
ZC: Uh-huh.
ES: Of, of the ( ) that's, that's, that's, that's, uh, that's when my, I mean that's when my, really that's when my. ( )
ZC: Uh-huh.
ES: You know if, if they have two, two scales, uh, evaluations and, and, and ( ) it will eventually probably change but the young people are wonderful, wonderful. Uh, um, they, they have a lot of things that, see I'm getting, I'm getting, ( ) I'm getting, really not as fair as I should be in, in uh, in uh evaluating uh, young people through that respect for the younger people show appreciation.
ES: Am I making sense?
ZC: Yes you are. Yes you are. Um, what do people praise you for?
ES: Oh, Lord. ( ) I get a lot of praise uh, appreciation for. ( )
ZC: For what? What do they say?
ES: Say you know, they just, they just always give me lot of lot of a praise. I sometimes I think I deserve [pause] not really.
ZC: They give you praise for what?
ES: Lot say I know how to ( ) people. [Laugh] So I don't know whether I get a lot of people to well, I do, do think that I, I try to look at all angles of the situations before I come to a conclusion.
ZC: So that's what people praise you for?
ES: Yeah.
ZC: Anything else can that you can think of people praise you for?
ES: Uh-.
ZC: OK. Um, what are you most proud of? \\ What are you most, yeah, \\ yeah.
ES: \\ Most proud of? \\ Well, I'm most proud of my children.
ZC: Your children? Uh-huh.
ES: They're so understanding, you know and mostly my boys.
ZC: Uh-huh.
ES: ( )
ZC: Uh-huh.
ES: ( ) Uh, two [pause in interview] I'm trying to talk about my ( ) sons.
ZC: Uh-huh.
ES: ( ) Fellows who, who are really they, they don't get to see plenty. ( )
ZC: Boys?
ES: ( ) I deny ( ) they get credit, uh, according to, uh, well ( ) I want to give them the credit but I think if you really give them credit they would be better. You know-.
ZC: Uh-huh.
ES: -Because they all don't, they all just don't, uh, uh, all of them just don't just don't-.
ZC: Uh-huh.
ES: -Well of them just don't have that same level.
ZC: Uh-huh.
ES: And, um-.
ZC: Um, if you could change, um, anything about your life what would it be?
ES: Um, um if I could change anything about \\ my life? \\
ZC: \\ Your life, \\ what would it be?
ES: Um, even though, even though, uh, are you are you talking about material things or just things in general?
ZC: Things in general. Anything that you would, uh, if you want if you could change anything right now about your life what would it be?
ES: Anything? Well, uh, now I would go, I would, I don't really think that I would be so unhappy if, uh, if, uh, my boys my boys, one of my sons, uh, ooh, I don't know. That's a hard one. I, I wouldn't, I don't think I would change the boys.
ZC: Uh-huh.
ES: The only thing that I would think to needed changing was, uh, uh, is give me more time to go back to school.
ZC: OK. Give you more time to go back to school.
ES: Uh-huh.
ZC: OK. Anything else you can think of or that's it, going back to school?
ES: Uh-huh.
ZC: OK. We've finished esteem. OK, housing. OK with, um, how long have you been living here, here?
ES: How long have I been living here?
ZC: Yeah, in this place.
ES: In this house?
ZC: Uh-huh.
ES: Oh, I haven't been here very long.
ZC: Very long. What do like living, um, what do you like about living here?
ES: Well, I like, it's the atmosphere-.
ZC: Uh-huh.
ES: -Of, of, of, of ( )-.
ZC: Uh-huh.
ES: -Of, of ( ) which gives me an opportunity to see more people and see more people. Not only see more people but come in contact with more people ( ) which is which is the same thing as seeing them.
ZC: Uh-huh.
ES: Uh, and also for mingle with uh, all types, types ( ) of personalities.
ZC: OK. ( ) Um, so that's what you like?
ES: Uh-huh.
ZC: Um, what would you improve about uh, living here? What would you improve about uh, this type of housing, this housing?
ES: This housing? I, I think maybe, uh, uh what do I, what do I like about it?
ZC: What would you, what would you improve about it? What don't you like about it? What would you make better?
ES: Oh, I would make better, uh, um, um, I wouldn't make too, too much changes. I'd add more to it than what we have.
ZC: Like what?
ES: Um, we ( ) participate anymore. Um, since the. ( )
ZC: Uh-huh.
ES: ( )
ZC: Uh-huh.
ES: Uh ( )
ZC: Um-.
ES: Um, more, more. Mainly you would have ( ) different activities to, to ( ) for I mean ( ) they don't have to mix with us.
ZC: Uh-huh.
ES: But it would teach them the appreciation.
ZC: You talking about people here?
ES: Uh-huh. People here.
ZC: Uh-huh.
ES: ( )
ZC: Yeah. Uh-huh. I was just making sure you're talking about people here.
ES: Yeah.
ZC: Oh, OK. Anything else you would you would, uh, make better?
ES: Um, well. That's all.
ZC: That's all. OK that's, that's it. OK, we have how many more? We have three more. Which, uh, which one would you like to talk about next? You don't have to go in order if you don't to but you could if you want to. It doesn't matter.
ES: Education.
ZC: Education. OK.
ES: Education.
ZC: OK. What was your last year in school? How much of school did you do?
ES: Well, I just have my Master's.
ZC: Your Master's? What is that Master's in?
ES: Master's in business education.
ZC: Business education?
ES: I've heard, I've had a lot of different courses in, uh, in, uh. ( )
ZC: Uh-huh.
ES: Uh, because I done my. ( ) I've taught ( ) I've taught um, uh-.
ZC: Oh, you've taught, too?
ES: Huh?
ZC: Did you say teach you taught?
ES: I taught Beauty Culture. ( ) Culture.
ZC: Beauty Culture?
ES: Uh-huh.
ZC: Just making sure I had it right. Um, what would you teach a young person? What are some of the things you would teach a young person?
ES: ( ) Whatever you're, uh, you're a feeling education.
ZC: To be good in it.
ES: Be, be good in it. It doesn't have, it doesn't have to be a wide range. It would be better to be good in it. ( ) Get as much training in that as you can than to just get scattered.
ZC: Uh-huh. So special, uh, so be good in it?
ES: Yes.
ZC: So what are some of things, uh, you would like to learn now?
ES: What are some of the things that I would like to learn?
ZC: Uh-huh.
ES: Oh, well right now I ( ) to ( ) about ( ) music.
ZC: Music?
ES: Uh-huh.
ZC: You would like to learn music?
ES: ( ) Singing.
ZC: Singing.
ES: Uh-huh.
ZC: OK. That's it for education. What's the next topic you want to talk about?
ES: Physiological. ( )
ZC: OK. It's a, what is your favorite meal served here at this place? What is you favorite meal?
ES: Meal?
ZC: Uh-huh. [Laugh]
ES: [Laugh] Oh, goodness. Um, well I like um. ( )
ZC: You're just, what is your favorite meal?
ES: ( )
ZC: To eat here.
ES: Um, well I really like when they. ( )
ZC: ( )
ES: ( ) Uh, fish.
ZC: Fish? Uh-huh.
ES: ( ) Just got through eating. That's what makes me. ( ) [Laugh]
ZC: You like the fish. Anything else?
ES: Yeah, uh, mashed potatoes.
ZC: Mashed potatoes?
ES: And um, greens.
ZC: Greens.
ES: That's nice.
ZC: What is your least favorite meal here?
ES: ( ) Least favorite? Peas.
ZC: Peas.
ES: No, I say please.
ZC: Oh, please. [Laugh]
ES: ( ) What they say probably ( ) bodily needs.
ZC: Things that you need for you body. That's why I wanted to know your least favorite meal.
ES: Uh, uh I, I don't care for a, a sweet potato.
ZC: Sweet potato.
ES: No.
ZC: What else don't you care for? As far as food.
ES: Oyster.
ZC: Oy-? I couldn't hear you.
ES: Oysters.
ZC: Oysters.
ES: Uh-huh. I don't care for it. I'll eat it though, you know.
ZC: But you don't care for it.
ES: I don't care.
ZC: OK. What advice would you give the cooking staff here about the food?
ES: [Laugh] I must say this?
ZC: No this is between me and you, between me and you. That's why we have the door shut, shut. Would you, what advice would you give to them, [laugh] to them if you could?
ES: Uh, uh, uh ( ) uh, really don't overcook things.
ZC: I didn't hear you.
ES: Don't overcook. You can overcook it.
ZC: Things? Food?
ES: Uh-huh.
ZC: Is there any other advice would you, that you would give them?
ES: Um, don't overcook. Just don't overcook.
ZC: Uh-huh. OK. That's it. I think that is, yeah, OK and the last one. Arts and Culture.
ES: ( )
ZC: What do you um, ( ) are you proud of being an African-American?
ES: I am, I really am.
ZC: Why are you proud of being an African-American?
ES: Because it seems that so, so many of us don't know how blessed we are.
ZC: Uh-huh.
ES: That we can do things, that we can do ( ) we are. ( )
ZC: Uh-huh.
ES: Really is. I, I, I really ( ) on to this, uh, get back because you're black you know. ( )
ZC: Uh-huh.
ES: And some of that is coming out now.
ZC: Uh-huh.
ES: But uh, more needs to come out.
ZC: What are you most, uh, proud of, about being an African-American?
ES: ( ) You, you, you so ( ) when you don't realize you really don't, realize what you have.
ZC: Uh-huh.
ES: Really don't. Uh, uh you don't have to, you don't have to even be all that talented but if just be good at what you can do.
ZC: Uh-huh. Um, um what else what kinds of music do you like to listen to?
ES: Uh, I like the music spirituals all right. [Laugh]
ZC: You say spirituals?
ES: Spirituals. [Laugh]
ZC: Uh-huh.
ES: And some, uh, some, uh, some spirituals are just beautiful. Classical music. ( ) Classical sends you way up in the sky. I'm, I'm serious about that.
ZC: What is your favorite song?
ES: Ave Maria.
ZC: Huh. Ave Maria.
ES: Uh-huh.
ZC: Why do you, why do like that song? I've heard of it.
ES: Because, because one thing I, I won first place in the, in the state contest about 50 years ago.
ZC: Singing? You sang that? [Laugh]
ES: Yeah. ( ) You know the, the, the glee clubs used to go to Durham for ( ) music. Honey, well all that ( ) oh, we had a good time.
ZC: [Laugh] Uh, what other types of art do you like?
ES: Well I'm, I'm interested in, I started to, uh, do, uh, the easel.
ZC: Easel painting? OK.
ES: Uh-huh. ( ) Get to back to it last time, last two or three months.
ZC: Uh-huh.
ES: Because my easel is. ( )
ZC: Oh, OK.
ES: ( ) This summer I'll have it.
ZC: [Laugh] Is there, uh, is there any other types of art do you like? Any other one types of art do you like you talked about? Uh, you talked about painting.
ES: Uh-huh.
ZC: With your easel. Anything else?
ES: Well I, I haven't tried anything, other things.
ZC: But painting.
ES: No.
ZC: But, but you were talking about painting. OK. Can you believe we're finished?
ES: We're finished. Been a pleasure.